A word in German
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Nuclear weapons are the last stock in NATO's arsenal.
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Doofesh
Ana Karenina, Not exactly. The international scene is different in the present time. When the US committed its crime against humanity by using nuclear weapons, there was no other country that possessed them.
The nuclear weapons club at present gathers quite a number of countries, hence nuclear weapons are used as a deterrent only. For this reason, WWIII has been going on over an extended period of time while nuclear weapons being used in the form of depleted uranium only.
The second crime of the US is its "War on Terror", which started as a "Crusade against Isslaam". Now humanity should be watchful for punishment coming to the US from above.
The nuclear weapons club at present gathers quite a number of countries, hence nuclear weapons are used as a deterrent only. For this reason, WWIII has been going on over an extended period of time while nuclear weapons being used in the form of depleted uranium only.
The second crime of the US is its "War on Terror", which started as a "Crusade against Isslaam". Now humanity should be watchful for punishment coming to the US from above.
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| Doofesh, Let'S quote someone who knows more on this topic; Albert Einstein: "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones". |
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Ana Karenina, Einstein is right about the elimination of nuclear weapons. The final world war will be fought with swords on horseback.
As The Creator is in possession of the soldiers of the heavens and the earth, punishment will be through what people like to call "mother nature": Sinkholes in three places, one in the east, one in the west and one in Arabia.
As The Creator is in possession of the soldiers of the heavens and the earth, punishment will be through what people like to call "mother nature": Sinkholes in three places, one in the east, one in the west and one in Arabia.
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Doofesh
Ana Karenina, This is unfair! I accepted your story about Einstein, and expected that you accept my story from The Creator. My acceptance does not mean that I disbelieve in The Creator, and your acceptance of The Creator’s story does not mean that you believe in The Creator. This is just a forum for a friendly exchange of views.
You spoke about IGNORANCE. You think that ignorance is my problem. However, ignorance is the opposite of KNOWLEDGE. In this case, I am ahead of you in that I have knowledge about Einstein, whereas your case is one of ignorance, or lack of knowledge, about The Creator.
Why is it that disbelievers in The Creator do not accept knowledge originating from The Creator? It it is because they have isolated themselves from any notion about The Creator, and followed their vain desires of living the life of this world the way they like. As such, you do not accept past knowledge, and you do not accept prophecies about the future.
Why is it that believers in The Creator accept knowledge originating from The Creator? It is because they have submitted themselves to The Creator, and followed the straight path of The Creator by living the way they have been guided.
As such, I have been following past events as ordained by The Creator, and I accept prophecies about the future, such as that the imminent, final war on the earth will be fought with swords on horseback. I also accept the prophecy that there will be three gigantic sinkholes, one in the east, another in the west, and the third in Arabia.
When these events take place in the (near) future, I will be witness to events of which I have knowledge. For you it will be a case of ignorance.
It is true that “IGNORANCE PUNISHES BEINGS”.
You spoke about IGNORANCE. You think that ignorance is my problem. However, ignorance is the opposite of KNOWLEDGE. In this case, I am ahead of you in that I have knowledge about Einstein, whereas your case is one of ignorance, or lack of knowledge, about The Creator.
Why is it that disbelievers in The Creator do not accept knowledge originating from The Creator? It it is because they have isolated themselves from any notion about The Creator, and followed their vain desires of living the life of this world the way they like. As such, you do not accept past knowledge, and you do not accept prophecies about the future.
Why is it that believers in The Creator accept knowledge originating from The Creator? It is because they have submitted themselves to The Creator, and followed the straight path of The Creator by living the way they have been guided.
As such, I have been following past events as ordained by The Creator, and I accept prophecies about the future, such as that the imminent, final war on the earth will be fought with swords on horseback. I also accept the prophecy that there will be three gigantic sinkholes, one in the east, another in the west, and the third in Arabia.
When these events take place in the (near) future, I will be witness to events of which I have knowledge. For you it will be a case of ignorance.
It is true that “IGNORANCE PUNISHES BEINGS”.
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Doofesh
Ana Karenina, I hold a university degree in the English language and literature. During university days I had to digest poetry, and even mythology, so that I may become a school teacher able of earning a living.
Now that I have reached the age of retirement from work in a private business, I have been blessed with KNOWLEDGE about The Creator, especially, The Quraan, the word of Allaah.
In The Quraan, which is a heavenly light obliterating IGNORANCE, there is a chapter titled “The Poets”. In response to your “Rumi” poem, it suffices my purpose to quote the following verses:
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Shall I inform you upon whom the devils descend?
They descend upon every sinful liar.
They listen eagerly, but most of them are liars.
And the poets - [only] the deviators follow them;
Do you not see that in every valley they roam;
And that they say what they do not do? -
Except those [poets] who believe (in Allaah) and do righteous deeds and remember Allaah often and defend [the Prophets] after they were wronged. And those who have wronged are going to know to what [kind of] return they will be returned.
Now that I have reached the age of retirement from work in a private business, I have been blessed with KNOWLEDGE about The Creator, especially, The Quraan, the word of Allaah.
In The Quraan, which is a heavenly light obliterating IGNORANCE, there is a chapter titled “The Poets”. In response to your “Rumi” poem, it suffices my purpose to quote the following verses:
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Shall I inform you upon whom the devils descend?
They descend upon every sinful liar.
They listen eagerly, but most of them are liars.
And the poets - [only] the deviators follow them;
Do you not see that in every valley they roam;
And that they say what they do not do? -
Except those [poets] who believe (in Allaah) and do righteous deeds and remember Allaah often and defend [the Prophets] after they were wronged. And those who have wronged are going to know to what [kind of] return they will be returned.
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Doofesh
Ana Karenina, Buddhism is an invention of people. As I said earlier, these people have isolated themselves from any notion about The Creator, and followed their vain desires of living the life of this world the way they like.
You said that "people" talk about The Creator. What people talk about The Creator is, again, an invention. Why not listen to The Creator as to what He has to say about himself? If you listen to The Creator, not to people, you will collect real KNOWLEDGE, and relieve yourself of IGNORANCE. You will then know that The Creator has a religion that is not like people’s Christianity, (Rumi’s) Islam, and Judaism
The question now is: Who created the human mind and the universe?
Or have people created themselves and earth they are living on?
Now I invite you to think about the following notion:
You came to this life of the world through birth without being given the right to choose.
You spend your lifetime having the choice to do or not to do things.
You will be departing the life of this world through death without being given the right to choose.
You said that "people" talk about The Creator. What people talk about The Creator is, again, an invention. Why not listen to The Creator as to what He has to say about himself? If you listen to The Creator, not to people, you will collect real KNOWLEDGE, and relieve yourself of IGNORANCE. You will then know that The Creator has a religion that is not like people’s Christianity, (Rumi’s) Islam, and Judaism
The question now is: Who created the human mind and the universe?
Or have people created themselves and earth they are living on?
Now I invite you to think about the following notion:
You came to this life of the world through birth without being given the right to choose.
You spend your lifetime having the choice to do or not to do things.
You will be departing the life of this world through death without being given the right to choose.
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Doofesh
Ana Karenina, I urge you to reread the statement about choice:
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You came to this life of the world through birth without being given the right to choose.
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You spend your lifetime having the choice to do or not to do things.
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You will be departing the life of this world through death without being given the right to choose.
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Choice in the last instance is about death. Certainly, you do not, and cannot, choose not to die.
The lifetime of a human being is a trial session. It is like sitting for a test. You will choose your answers. Remember that there is an 'examination board'. You can choose to give the wrong answers, but you cannot escape the verdict.
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You came to this life of the world through birth without being given the right to choose.
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You spend your lifetime having the choice to do or not to do things.
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You will be departing the life of this world through death without being given the right to choose.
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Choice in the last instance is about death. Certainly, you do not, and cannot, choose not to die.
The lifetime of a human being is a trial session. It is like sitting for a test. You will choose your answers. Remember that there is an 'examination board'. You can choose to give the wrong answers, but you cannot escape the verdict.
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Doofesh
Ana Karenina, What do you mean by saying: I have chosen you?
I posted a comment and you commented on my comment.
My belief is invalid to you, and so is yours to me. It is not a debate on my part because I just convey a message.
You have quoted your literature to no request of mine.
I posted a comment and you commented on my comment.
My belief is invalid to you, and so is yours to me. It is not a debate on my part because I just convey a message.
You have quoted your literature to no request of mine.
Ana Karenina
Doofesh, And you expanded your conviction with no request of mine either.
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Ana Karenina, You have read the Quran. I have read the Bible. Many people told me that they preferred Harry Potter to The Quraan. So what?
Notes:
- The Quraan is a revelation in the Arabic language. Translations are unofficial, personal interpretations of translators.
- The Quraan is the only accredited book in Isslaam. Books by authors are not worth the ink with which they have written.
I suggest that you tutor me on a verse that you have learned from The Quraan.
Notes:
- The Quraan is a revelation in the Arabic language. Translations are unofficial, personal interpretations of translators.
- The Quraan is the only accredited book in Isslaam. Books by authors are not worth the ink with which they have written.
I suggest that you tutor me on a verse that you have learned from The Quraan.
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Doofesh
Ana Karenina, I have not quoted a single verse of The Quraan.
Ana Karenina
Doofesh, "Say, 'O disbelievers, I do not worship what you worship, nor are you worshippers of what I worship. For you is your religion, and for me is my religion.'" (Quran, Surah Al-Kafirun, 109:1-6)
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Doofesh
Ana Karenina, You rejected my view which happens to have been derived from prophecies.
You may reread my comment starting with the following paragraph:
This is unfair! I accepted your story about Einstein, and expected that you accept my story from The Creator. My acceptance does not mean that I disbelieve in The Creator, and your acceptance of The Creator’s story does not mean that you believe in The Creator. This is just a forum for a friendly exchange of views.
You may reread my comment starting with the following paragraph:
This is unfair! I accepted your story about Einstein, and expected that you accept my story from The Creator. My acceptance does not mean that I disbelieve in The Creator, and your acceptance of The Creator’s story does not mean that you believe in The Creator. This is just a forum for a friendly exchange of views.
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Doofesh
Ana Karenina, You claim to have quoted (Quran, Surah Al-Kafirun, 109:1-6).
This is not The Quraan, the revelation by Allaah. It is "the Quran" of someone! An abridged book.
Soorah Al-Kaafiroon, 109:1-6 is as follows:
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{1} قُلْ يَا أَيُّهَا الْكَافِرُونَ
Say: O ye disbelievers!
{2} لَا أَعْبُدُ مَا تَعْبُدُونَ
I worship not that which ye worship,
{3} وَلَا أَنْتُمْ عَابِدُونَ مَا أَعْبُدُ
Nor will ye worship that whom I worship.
{4} وَلَا أَنَا عَابِدٌ مَا عَبَدْتُمْ
And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,
{5} وَلَا أَنْتُمْ عَابِدُونَ مَا أَعْبُدُ
Nor will ye worship that whom I worship.
{6} لَكُمْ دِينُكُمْ وَلِيَ دِينِ
To you be your religion, and to me mine.
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If this is the case with The Quraan, how is it in Rumi's poetry and Esad Bey?
This is not The Quraan, the revelation by Allaah. It is "the Quran" of someone! An abridged book.
Soorah Al-Kaafiroon, 109:1-6 is as follows:
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{1} قُلْ يَا أَيُّهَا الْكَافِرُونَ
Say: O ye disbelievers!
{2} لَا أَعْبُدُ مَا تَعْبُدُونَ
I worship not that which ye worship,
{3} وَلَا أَنْتُمْ عَابِدُونَ مَا أَعْبُدُ
Nor will ye worship that whom I worship.
{4} وَلَا أَنَا عَابِدٌ مَا عَبَدْتُمْ
And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,
{5} وَلَا أَنْتُمْ عَابِدُونَ مَا أَعْبُدُ
Nor will ye worship that whom I worship.
{6} لَكُمْ دِينُكُمْ وَلِيَ دِينِ
To you be your religion, and to me mine.
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If this is the case with The Quraan, how is it in Rumi's poetry and Esad Bey?
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Doofesh
Ana Karenina, Have you compared your quotation of "the Quran" with my quotation of The Quraan?
Earlier you disliked people’s talk about The Creator, yet you have talked about The Creator in the same wrong way. You ascribed to The Creator a text that is not of The Creator.
Earlier you disliked people’s talk about The Creator, yet you have talked about The Creator in the same wrong way. You ascribed to The Creator a text that is not of The Creator.
Doofesh
Ana Karenina, By quoting a book that looks like The Quraan, you have placed yourself on the side of ignorance. You know that “IGNORANCE PUNISHES BEINGS”.
May I ask:
Why have you picked up this particular quotation?
What message do you want to pass?
May I ask:
Why have you picked up this particular quotation?
What message do you want to pass?
Ana Karenina
Doofesh, Rumi: "Beware! Beware!
Don’t mistake me for this human form.
The soul is not obscured by forms.
Even if it were wrapped in a hundred folds of felt
the rays of the soul’s light
would still shine through."
Don’t mistake me for this human form.
The soul is not obscured by forms.
Even if it were wrapped in a hundred folds of felt
the rays of the soul’s light
would still shine through."
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Ana Karenina, Shall I inform you upon whom the devils descend?
They descend upon every sinful liar.
They listen eagerly, but most of them are liars.
And the poets - [only] the deviators follow them;
Do you not see that in every valley they roam;
And that they say what they do not do? -
Except those [poets] who believe (in Allaah) and do righteous deeds and remember Allaah often and defend [the Prophets] after they were wronged. And those who have wronged are going to know to what [kind of] return they will be returned.
They descend upon every sinful liar.
They listen eagerly, but most of them are liars.
And the poets - [only] the deviators follow them;
Do you not see that in every valley they roam;
And that they say what they do not do? -
Except those [poets] who believe (in Allaah) and do righteous deeds and remember Allaah often and defend [the Prophets] after they were wronged. And those who have wronged are going to know to what [kind of] return they will be returned.
Ana Karenina
Doofesh, If Muhhammad wasn't saved by the spider in that dessert cave, you wouldn't your religion. Have you ever thought of that?
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Doofesh
Ana Karenina, This thought must have been inspired to you by the Devil. Or it comes from a person whose brain is as thin as the filament of a spider. The author of the book placed his readers (you among them) on the side of ignorance. “IGNORANCE PUNISHES BEINGS”.
If you (Believers in Allaah) do not aid the Prophet - Allaah has already aided him when those who disbelieved had driven him out [of Makkah] as one of two, when they were in the cave and he said to his companion, "Do not grieve; indeed Allaah is with us." And Allaah sent down his tranquility upon him and supported him with angels you did not see and made the word of those who disbelieved the lowest, while the word of Allaah - that is the highest. And Allaah is Exalted in Might and Wise.
If you (Believers in Allaah) do not aid the Prophet - Allaah has already aided him when those who disbelieved had driven him out [of Makkah] as one of two, when they were in the cave and he said to his companion, "Do not grieve; indeed Allaah is with us." And Allaah sent down his tranquility upon him and supported him with angels you did not see and made the word of those who disbelieved the lowest, while the word of Allaah - that is the highest. And Allaah is Exalted in Might and Wise.
Ana Karenina
Doofesh, Hmmm, weird! You don't know much about your Prophet's life. I doubt you are speaking the truth.
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Ana Karenina, What is your next thought that you would like to share?
Doofesh
Doofesh, This is not funny. You and I are tackling an important issue: “IGNORANCE PUNISHES BEINGS”.
Ana Karenina
Doofesh, Repetitio est mater studiorum
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Doofesh, Thanks to Google translate that I do not need to learn a seventh language.
Back to business, I urge you to pass your second thought about your reading of The Quraan.
Back to business, I urge you to pass your second thought about your reading of The Quraan.
Ana Karenina
Doofesh, My gift 2 u
As-salamu alaykum!
In the realm of cyberspace, masks they don,
Deception's dance, truth is all but gone.
Chaos they sow, their goals they achieve,
As wise souls exit, falsehoods they disbelieve.
In this digital masquerade so grand,
Hidden identities like shifting sand,
They cloak themselves in virtual guise,
Yet the wise see through the clever disguise.
Departing the platform, they find their way,
Seeking truths where masks do not hold sway,
In the depths of reality's embrace,
They leave behind masks, in search of grace.
As-salamu alaykum!
In the realm of cyberspace, masks they don,
Deception's dance, truth is all but gone.
Chaos they sow, their goals they achieve,
As wise souls exit, falsehoods they disbelieve.
In this digital masquerade so grand,
Hidden identities like shifting sand,
They cloak themselves in virtual guise,
Yet the wise see through the clever disguise.
Departing the platform, they find their way,
Seeking truths where masks do not hold sway,
In the depths of reality's embrace,
They leave behind masks, in search of grace.
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Doofesh
Ana Karenina, Did you know that the English word 'gift' means 'poison' in German?!
Be sure not to mix up those two and get your loved ones the right gift!
I urge you to pass your second thought about your reading of The Quraan.
Be sure not to mix up those two and get your loved ones the right gift!
I urge you to pass your second thought about your reading of The Quraan.
Ana Karenina
Doofesh, Oh, what an astonishing linguistic feat you've just performed! Your knowledge of German must be truly unparalleled. I'll be sure to rush out and warn all my German-speaking friends not to accept any "gifts" from me. Can't have them thinking I'm trying to poison them, can we?
And as for my Quranic studies, I'll definitely reconsider my life choices now that you've graced me with your wisdom. Clearly, you're the one who should be giving the lectures, not those pesky scholars. Your insights are truly unparalleled, and I'm forever in your debt for setting me straight!
And as for my Quranic studies, I'll definitely reconsider my life choices now that you've graced me with your wisdom. Clearly, you're the one who should be giving the lectures, not those pesky scholars. Your insights are truly unparalleled, and I'm forever in your debt for setting me straight!
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Doofesh
Doofesh, I really appreciate your compliments. I am really grateful.
Still, I expect that you pass your second thought about your reading of The Quraan.
Still, I expect that you pass your second thought about your reading of The Quraan.
Ana Karenina
Doofesh, Dear friend, as we've traversed this journey, I feel compelled to share my path:
In the ancient land of Aria, a community of enlightened scholars known as the Arians sought profound wisdom amidst the breathtaking heights of the Karakoram and Himalayan snow-covered mountains. Inspired by the majesty of these towering peaks, the Arians dedicated their lives to unraveling the mysteries of the human mind and the roots of suffering.
Their teachings illuminated a sacred path to liberation, emphasizing the transformative power of study, contemplation, and meditation. Through these practices, individuals could unlock the profound wisdom of mindfulness, empathy, and compassion, fostering inner peace and harmony. The oral transmission of their insights ensured the endurance of their teachings, passed down through generations with an unwavering commitment to awareness and interconnectedness.
In this awe-inspiring setting, the Arians cultivated a profound awareness not only of the natural world but also of the human condition. Their wisdom, empathy, and compassion served as a guiding light for those who sought liberation from the relentless cycle of suffering, offering a timeless roadmap to inner serenity and a life filled with profound meaning.
I wish for you and all beings to attain the merit and become a recipient of this oral transmission.
In the ancient land of Aria, a community of enlightened scholars known as the Arians sought profound wisdom amidst the breathtaking heights of the Karakoram and Himalayan snow-covered mountains. Inspired by the majesty of these towering peaks, the Arians dedicated their lives to unraveling the mysteries of the human mind and the roots of suffering.
Their teachings illuminated a sacred path to liberation, emphasizing the transformative power of study, contemplation, and meditation. Through these practices, individuals could unlock the profound wisdom of mindfulness, empathy, and compassion, fostering inner peace and harmony. The oral transmission of their insights ensured the endurance of their teachings, passed down through generations with an unwavering commitment to awareness and interconnectedness.
In this awe-inspiring setting, the Arians cultivated a profound awareness not only of the natural world but also of the human condition. Their wisdom, empathy, and compassion served as a guiding light for those who sought liberation from the relentless cycle of suffering, offering a timeless roadmap to inner serenity and a life filled with profound meaning.
I wish for you and all beings to attain the merit and become a recipient of this oral transmission.
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Doofesh
Ana Karenina, Dear friend,
Mountains have heavenly, majestic stories in The Quraan. I invite you to explore one of them:
2:260. And [remember] when Ibraaheem said, "My Lord (Allaah), show me how You give life to the dead." [Allaah] said, "Have you not believed?" He said, "Yes, but [I ask] only that my heart may be satisfied." [Allaah] said, "Take four BIRDS and commit them to yourself. Then put on each MOUNTAN a portion of them; then call them - they will come to you in haste. And know that Allaah is Exalted in Might and Wise."
What can you tell me about this short story?
Mountains have heavenly, majestic stories in The Quraan. I invite you to explore one of them:
2:260. And [remember] when Ibraaheem said, "My Lord (Allaah), show me how You give life to the dead." [Allaah] said, "Have you not believed?" He said, "Yes, but [I ask] only that my heart may be satisfied." [Allaah] said, "Take four BIRDS and commit them to yourself. Then put on each MOUNTAN a portion of them; then call them - they will come to you in haste. And know that Allaah is Exalted in Might and Wise."
What can you tell me about this short story?
Doofesh
Ana Karenina, Translations of the verse to help you:
Sahih International: And [mention] when Abraham said, "My Lord, show me how You give life to the dead." [Allaah] said, "Have you not believed?" He said, "Yes, but [I ask] only that my heart may be satisfied." [Allaah] said, "Take four birds and commit them to yourself. Then [after slaughtering them] put on each hill a portion of them; then call them - they will come [flying] to you in haste. And know that Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise."
Pickthall: And when Abraham said (unto his Lord): My Lord! Show me how Thou givest life to the dead, He said: Dost thou not believe? Abraham said: Yea, but (I ask) in order that my heart may be at ease. (His Lord) said: Take four of the birds and cause them to incline unto thee, then place a part of them on each hill, then call them, they will come to thee in haste, and know that Allaah is Mighty, Wise.
Yusuf Ali: When Abraham said: "Show me, Lord, how You will raise the dead, " He replied: "Have you no faith?" He said "Yes, but just to reassure my heart." Allaah said, "Take four birds, draw them to you, and cut their bodies to pieces. Scatter them over the mountain-tops, then call them back. They will come swiftly to you. Know that Allaah is Mighty, Wise."
Shakir: And when Ibrahim said: My Lord! show me how Thou givest life to the dead, He said: What! and do you not believe? He said: Yes, but that my heart may be at ease. He said: Then take four of the birds, then train them to follow you, then place on every mountain a part of them, then call them, they will come to you flying; and know that Allaah is Mighty, Wise.
Muhammad Sarwar: When Abraham prayed, "Lord, show me how you bring the dead back to life," the Lord said, "Do you not yet believe?" Abraham replied, "I believe but want more confidence for my heart." God told him, "Take four birds, induce them to come to you, cut and scatter their bodies leaving parts on every mountain top, then call them and they will swiftly come to you." Know that Allaah is Majestic and Wise.
Mohsin Khan: And (remember) when Ibrahim (Abraham) said, "My Lord! Show me how You give life to the dead." He (Allaah) said: "Do you not believe?" He [Ibrahim (Abraham)] said: "Yes (I believe), but to be stronger in Faith." He said: "Take four birds, then cause them to incline towards you (then slaughter them, cut them into pieces), and then put a portion of them on every hill, and call them, they will come to you in haste. And know that Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise."
Arberry: And when Abraham said, 'My Lord, show me how Thou wilt give life to the dead,' He said, 'Why, dost thou not believe?' 'Yes,' he said, 'but that my heart may be at rest.' Said He, 'Take four birds, and twist them to thee, then set a part of them on every hill, then summon them, and they will come to thee running. And do thou know that Allaah is All-mighty, All-wise.'
Sahih International: And [mention] when Abraham said, "My Lord, show me how You give life to the dead." [Allaah] said, "Have you not believed?" He said, "Yes, but [I ask] only that my heart may be satisfied." [Allaah] said, "Take four birds and commit them to yourself. Then [after slaughtering them] put on each hill a portion of them; then call them - they will come [flying] to you in haste. And know that Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise."
Pickthall: And when Abraham said (unto his Lord): My Lord! Show me how Thou givest life to the dead, He said: Dost thou not believe? Abraham said: Yea, but (I ask) in order that my heart may be at ease. (His Lord) said: Take four of the birds and cause them to incline unto thee, then place a part of them on each hill, then call them, they will come to thee in haste, and know that Allaah is Mighty, Wise.
Yusuf Ali: When Abraham said: "Show me, Lord, how You will raise the dead, " He replied: "Have you no faith?" He said "Yes, but just to reassure my heart." Allaah said, "Take four birds, draw them to you, and cut their bodies to pieces. Scatter them over the mountain-tops, then call them back. They will come swiftly to you. Know that Allaah is Mighty, Wise."
Shakir: And when Ibrahim said: My Lord! show me how Thou givest life to the dead, He said: What! and do you not believe? He said: Yes, but that my heart may be at ease. He said: Then take four of the birds, then train them to follow you, then place on every mountain a part of them, then call them, they will come to you flying; and know that Allaah is Mighty, Wise.
Muhammad Sarwar: When Abraham prayed, "Lord, show me how you bring the dead back to life," the Lord said, "Do you not yet believe?" Abraham replied, "I believe but want more confidence for my heart." God told him, "Take four birds, induce them to come to you, cut and scatter their bodies leaving parts on every mountain top, then call them and they will swiftly come to you." Know that Allaah is Majestic and Wise.
Mohsin Khan: And (remember) when Ibrahim (Abraham) said, "My Lord! Show me how You give life to the dead." He (Allaah) said: "Do you not believe?" He [Ibrahim (Abraham)] said: "Yes (I believe), but to be stronger in Faith." He said: "Take four birds, then cause them to incline towards you (then slaughter them, cut them into pieces), and then put a portion of them on every hill, and call them, they will come to you in haste. And know that Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise."
Arberry: And when Abraham said, 'My Lord, show me how Thou wilt give life to the dead,' He said, 'Why, dost thou not believe?' 'Yes,' he said, 'but that my heart may be at rest.' Said He, 'Take four birds, and twist them to thee, then set a part of them on every hill, then summon them, and they will come to thee running. And do thou know that Allaah is All-mighty, All-wise.'
Doofesh
Ana Karenina, You said: “Abhidhamma, a detailed study of how our minds work, exploring things like consciousness and perception.”
You also said: “Abhidharma is about understanding the mind, ...”.
The Creator said: “And Allah has brought you forth from the wombs of your mothers-- you did not know anything-- and He gave you hearing and sight and hearts that you may be cognizant (of The Creator).
Accordingly, if I may compare the human being to a computer I say that the human MIND is no more than the PROCESSOR. The HEART of a human being is HARD DISK. It is, therefore, the heart that matters.
You also said: “Abhidharma is about understanding the mind, ...”.
The Creator said: “And Allah has brought you forth from the wombs of your mothers-- you did not know anything-- and He gave you hearing and sight and hearts that you may be cognizant (of The Creator).
Accordingly, if I may compare the human being to a computer I say that the human MIND is no more than the PROCESSOR. The HEART of a human being is HARD DISK. It is, therefore, the heart that matters.
Ana Karenina
Doofesh, Your perspective is partly correct; hard drives, RAM, and processors don't have any direct relation to organs like the heart. The issue here is that we typically don't have conscious access to RAM. In a way, you can think of our cognitive process as skipping over RAM and going from hard drive to processor.
Now, when it comes to the concept of Allah, it's important to understand that Allah is a product of human thought, somewhat like a program stored on a hard drive, comparable to an executable file.
Now, when it comes to the concept of Allah, it's important to understand that Allah is a product of human thought, somewhat like a program stored on a hard drive, comparable to an executable file.
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Doofesh
Ana Karenina, This is not a spell. It is just a short story (4 lines) about MOUNTAINS for you to exercise your mind. Please tell me what you think about it:
And [remember] when Ibraaheem said, "My Lord, show me how You give life to the dead." [He] said, "Have you not believed?" He said, "Yes, but [I ask] only that my heart may be satisfied." [He] said, "Take four BIRDS and commit them to yourself. Then put on each MOUNTAN a portion of them; then call them - they will come to you JOGGING. And know that The Lord is Exalted in Might and Wise."
And [remember] when Ibraaheem said, "My Lord, show me how You give life to the dead." [He] said, "Have you not believed?" He said, "Yes, but [I ask] only that my heart may be satisfied." [He] said, "Take four BIRDS and commit them to yourself. Then put on each MOUNTAN a portion of them; then call them - they will come to you JOGGING. And know that The Lord is Exalted in Might and Wise."
Ana Karenina
Doofesh, # Define the functions for creating and calling birds
def create_bird():
return {"alive": False}
def call_bird(bird):
bird["alive"] = True
# Create four birds
birds = [create_bird() for _ in range(4)]
# Place a portion of them on each mountain
mountain1 = birds[:2]
mountain2 = birds[2:]
# Call the birds, and they will come jogging
for bird in birds:
call_bird(bird)
# Check if the birds are alive
bird_status = ["JOGGING" if bird["alive"] else "NOT ALIVE" for bird in birds]
# Display the results
for i, status in enumerate(bird_status):
print(f"Mountain {i + 1} Bird: {status}")
# Output: Mountain 1 Bird: JOGGING
# Mountain 2 Bird: JOGGING
# Mountain 3 Bird: JOGGING
# Mountain 4 Bird: JOGGING
def create_bird():
return {"alive": False}
def call_bird(bird):
bird["alive"] = True
# Create four birds
birds = [create_bird() for _ in range(4)]
# Place a portion of them on each mountain
mountain1 = birds[:2]
mountain2 = birds[2:]
# Call the birds, and they will come jogging
for bird in birds:
call_bird(bird)
# Check if the birds are alive
bird_status = ["JOGGING" if bird["alive"] else "NOT ALIVE" for bird in birds]
# Display the results
for i, status in enumerate(bird_status):
print(f"Mountain {i + 1} Bird: {status}")
# Output: Mountain 1 Bird: JOGGING
# Mountain 2 Bird: JOGGING
# Mountain 3 Bird: JOGGING
# Mountain 4 Bird: JOGGING
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Doofesh
Doofesh, Excellent!
Your reply looks to my eyes like a computer output.
I did not mean it to be that complicated. I want to sense a human touch in it.
My immediate checking tells that you have missed the right answer.
I did give you a vital clue: MOUNTAINS.
Now you may please substitute the pronouns in the box below with their proper nouns:
And [remember] when Ibraaheem said, "My Lord, show me how You give life to the dead." [He] said, "Have you not believed?" He said, "Yes, but [I ask] only that my heart may be satisfied." [He] said, "Take four BIRDS and commit them to yourself. Then put on each MOUNTAN a portion of them;
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{then call them - they will come to you JOGGING.}
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And know that The Lord is Exalted in Might and Wise."
Your reply looks to my eyes like a computer output.
I did not mean it to be that complicated. I want to sense a human touch in it.
My immediate checking tells that you have missed the right answer.
I did give you a vital clue: MOUNTAINS.
Now you may please substitute the pronouns in the box below with their proper nouns:
And [remember] when Ibraaheem said, "My Lord, show me how You give life to the dead." [He] said, "Have you not believed?" He said, "Yes, but [I ask] only that my heart may be satisfied." [He] said, "Take four BIRDS and commit them to yourself. Then put on each MOUNTAN a portion of them;
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{then call them - they will come to you JOGGING.}
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And know that The Lord is Exalted in Might and Wise."
Ana Karenina
Doofesh, I understood your 'code' from the start; pronouns vs nouns- adjectives vs adverbs= sounds familiar, LOL! Be a gentlemen, introduce urself.
In the heights of mountains, beauty's throne,
A tranquil and exalted state is known.
With peaks that touch the endless sky,
Where nature's wonders catch the eye.
In lofty realms where eagles soar,
A world of awe, forevermore.
With snow-capped peaks and valleys deep,
A timeless beauty our hearts shall keep.
The thrill of nature, a grand display,
In mountain's embrace, we find our way.
In every summit's majestic grace,
We glimpse a world, a sacred place.
In the heights of mountains, beauty's throne,
A tranquil and exalted state is known.
With peaks that touch the endless sky,
Where nature's wonders catch the eye.
In lofty realms where eagles soar,
A world of awe, forevermore.
With snow-capped peaks and valleys deep,
A timeless beauty our hearts shall keep.
The thrill of nature, a grand display,
In mountain's embrace, we find our way.
In every summit's majestic grace,
We glimpse a world, a sacred place.
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Doofesh
Doofesh, You missed the point!
Substitution is as follows:
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{then call them (MOUNTAINS) - they (MOUNTAINS) will come to you JOGGING.}
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Substitution is as follows:
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{then call them (MOUNTAINS) - they (MOUNTAINS) will come to you JOGGING.}
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Ana Karenina
Doofesh, I am stupid! Could you, please, invest your energy in a more for you worthy project, object? Thank you!
Doofesh
Ana Karenina, You are NOT stupid, otherwise I would not have accepted your worthy advice.
Thank you!
Thank you!
Ana Karenina
Doofesh, You purposefully distorted it; why did u mix the birds here?
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Doofesh
Ana Karenina, What?! I purposefully distorted it!
How dare I distort a verse of The Quraan?!
If you think it is wise of me to invest some more of my energy in explaining the story to you, I will do it with great pleasure.
I know how much you are attached to MOUNTAINS. I guess you will miss a lot not exploring this short story.
How dare I distort a verse of The Quraan?!
If you think it is wise of me to invest some more of my energy in explaining the story to you, I will do it with great pleasure.
I know how much you are attached to MOUNTAINS. I guess you will miss a lot not exploring this short story.
Ana Karenina
Doofesh, The practice of awareness, the mountain as subject is I,
rings stability, power, and introspect.
Arian practice, with birds I reflect,
Thoughts as the object, half the job is perfect.
What's the other half, in this mindful dialect?
rings stability, power, and introspect.
Arian practice, with birds I reflect,
Thoughts as the object, half the job is perfect.
What's the other half, in this mindful dialect?
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Doofesh
Ana Karenina, Mountains are: THE DEAD
Birds are: THE SOULS.
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No human - not Homer, not Shakespeare, not Milton, not Rumi, not Hemingway, not even Tolstoy - can have words the like of those in The Quraan.
Remember the box?
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{then call them (MOUNTAINS) - they (MOUNTAINS) will come to you JOGGING.}
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Why are these words in the form of pronouns?
Because these are the TEST for those who read The Quraan.
Do readers just read, or do they reflect on what they read?
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Those who just read will substitute the pronouns with 'BIRDS'.
But do BIRDS on MOUNTAINS come JOGGING when you call them? BIRDS normally come flying.
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Those who read and reflect will substitute the pronouns with 'MOUNTAINS'.
But do MOUNTAINS come JOGGING when you call them?
MOUNTAINS (THE DEAD) come JOGGING if you place BIRDS (THEIR SOULS) on them. Your bring them to life.
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But where from a human being can get hold of souls?
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SOULS ARE THE POSSESSION OF THE CREATOR.
ALLAAH IS THE CREATOR OF THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH. HE IS CAPABLE OF DOING ALL THINGS.
Birds are: THE SOULS.
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No human - not Homer, not Shakespeare, not Milton, not Rumi, not Hemingway, not even Tolstoy - can have words the like of those in The Quraan.
Remember the box?
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{then call them (MOUNTAINS) - they (MOUNTAINS) will come to you JOGGING.}
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Why are these words in the form of pronouns?
Because these are the TEST for those who read The Quraan.
Do readers just read, or do they reflect on what they read?
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Those who just read will substitute the pronouns with 'BIRDS'.
But do BIRDS on MOUNTAINS come JOGGING when you call them? BIRDS normally come flying.
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Those who read and reflect will substitute the pronouns with 'MOUNTAINS'.
But do MOUNTAINS come JOGGING when you call them?
MOUNTAINS (THE DEAD) come JOGGING if you place BIRDS (THEIR SOULS) on them. Your bring them to life.
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But where from a human being can get hold of souls?
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SOULS ARE THE POSSESSION OF THE CREATOR.
ALLAAH IS THE CREATOR OF THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH. HE IS CAPABLE OF DOING ALL THINGS.
Ana Karenina
Doofesh, No, definitely! This is no my practice; wow, so distant as a matter of fact. But, yes, in the practice of Zen (koans)- Mahayana, I find similarities with your Quran. In the Arian practice mountains represent stability (sense organs, sense objects, sense consciousness= the triangle).
Ana Karenina
Doofesh, Still, it is twisted a bit, and I can see the greater picture- a lot of symbolism, but incomplete. Sorry :-)
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Doofesh
Ana Karenina, Remember that this is the TEST OF BELIEF that every human being is sitting for.
It is He (Allaah) who created you, though one of you is an infidel and one of you a believer; yet Allaah perceives what you do.
It is He (Allaah) who created you, though one of you is an infidel and one of you a believer; yet Allaah perceives what you do.
Doofesh
Ana Karenina, By way of reminder I tell you that it was you, not I, who opted to reply to my initial comment.
It is you who first, of the two of us, mentioned "Mountains".
Now it is you, not I, who mentioned the "Bridge".
You do not see what I see. I am convinced that you are being directed to take this path by The Creator. The reason behind it is your disbelief in Allaah. If you end as a believer, you will be a winner. But if you stick to disbelief, this dialogue will be evidence against you when you are summoned to accountability on the Day of Judgment. Remember that due notice has been served on you.
Remember that I explained to you just ONE verse, but that you took it for the whole Book. If you want to know how is The Creator taking control of you and me and the rest of the creation, I can explain to you another verse of just three words.
It is you who first, of the two of us, mentioned "Mountains".
Now it is you, not I, who mentioned the "Bridge".
You do not see what I see. I am convinced that you are being directed to take this path by The Creator. The reason behind it is your disbelief in Allaah. If you end as a believer, you will be a winner. But if you stick to disbelief, this dialogue will be evidence against you when you are summoned to accountability on the Day of Judgment. Remember that due notice has been served on you.
Remember that I explained to you just ONE verse, but that you took it for the whole Book. If you want to know how is The Creator taking control of you and me and the rest of the creation, I can explain to you another verse of just three words.
Ana Karenina
Doofesh, 🤣, don' t, please!
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Doofesh
Ana Karenina, Please Ana, believe so that I do not cry!
Who of the two of us should cry?
You mentioned the "Bridge". In The Quraan, it is not water that runs beneath the Bridge. It is The Fire.
On the reverse side it is rivers that run beneath those who will have been granted abode in The Jannah.
You think that I lost a battle to you, but I am just a messenger who conveys the divine message to people. I receive my wages from The Creator.
If you (Believers) could but see when they (Disbelievers) will be made to stand before their Lord (Allaah). He will say, "Is this not the truth?" They will say, "Yes, by our Lord." He will [then] say, "So taste the punishment because you used to disbelieve."
Who of the two of us should cry?
You mentioned the "Bridge". In The Quraan, it is not water that runs beneath the Bridge. It is The Fire.
On the reverse side it is rivers that run beneath those who will have been granted abode in The Jannah.
You think that I lost a battle to you, but I am just a messenger who conveys the divine message to people. I receive my wages from The Creator.
If you (Believers) could but see when they (Disbelievers) will be made to stand before their Lord (Allaah). He will say, "Is this not the truth?" They will say, "Yes, by our Lord." He will [then] say, "So taste the punishment because you used to disbelieve."
Ana Karenina
Doofesh, Well, when you put it that way, it's hard to argue with the boss! But I must say, I've always been a fan of Plan B: believing and avoiding the punishment altogether!
Ana Karenina
Doofesh, Very important that you mentioned fire: earth dissolves in water; water dissolves in fire; fire dissolves in air, air dissolves in consciousness; consciousness dissolves in space ( not empty space)...crucial.
Ana Karenina
Doofesh, Fire= desire; this world will be destroyed by fire.
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Doofesh
Ana Karenina, Nobody argues with The Creator, not even the Angels. It is The Creator who legislated for everything.
In the case of belief in Allaah, it is not believing and avoiding punishment, or believing and receiving reward. It is belief in The One and Only God there is. The Almighty who allowed Ibraheem to call the MOUNTAINS and have them come to hm JOGGING. Allaah is He who allowed Eessa to create the form of a BIRD, then blow life into it, then raise the DEAD.
As no human has absolutely no knowledge of the moment one dies, it is always in one's vital interest to move to plan B, the sooner the better. Mind you, Allaah knows what you intimate to yourself.
In the case of belief in Allaah, it is not believing and avoiding punishment, or believing and receiving reward. It is belief in The One and Only God there is. The Almighty who allowed Ibraheem to call the MOUNTAINS and have them come to hm JOGGING. Allaah is He who allowed Eessa to create the form of a BIRD, then blow life into it, then raise the DEAD.
As no human has absolutely no knowledge of the moment one dies, it is always in one's vital interest to move to plan B, the sooner the better. Mind you, Allaah knows what you intimate to yourself.
Doofesh
Ana Karenina, Things are totally different in the Afterlife. Allaah who created water, fire, soil, etc. has created everything in perfectness.
Frequently I heard similar arguments about The Fire: How would the Jinn, whom Allaah created from fire, be punished in The Fire? Do not you worry, The Creator prepared for everything.
Frequently I heard similar arguments about The Fire: How would the Jinn, whom Allaah created from fire, be punished in The Fire? Do not you worry, The Creator prepared for everything.
Doofesh
Ana Karenina, This world will end by substitution:
"The day when the earth will be replaced by some other than the earth, as will be the skies, and every one will appear before Allaah The One and Omnipotent.
"The day when the earth will be replaced by some other than the earth, as will be the skies, and every one will appear before Allaah The One and Omnipotent.
Ana Karenina
Doofesh, Ok, you are knocking on the wrong door; haven't you noticed by now? Please, leave in peace!
Doofesh
Ana Karenina, In peace I leave. Farewell!
Ana Karenina
Doofesh, Thank you. Farewell!
Doofesh
Doofesh, In Peace I left.
For Peace I am back.
In Peace I am bound to leave.
It is just a Peace obligation that I have to fulfill.
Once you said: My gift 2 u --- As-salamu alaykum!
For a reason which I know, and for a reason which I do not know, I then deferred my response.
Now I say: Wa-alaikumus-Salaam.
Allaah has 99 names of which “THE PEACE” {السلام} (Assalaam – in the Arabic language of The Quraan) is one.
In Peace I now leave: Peace be with you!
For Peace I am back.
In Peace I am bound to leave.
It is just a Peace obligation that I have to fulfill.
Once you said: My gift 2 u --- As-salamu alaykum!
For a reason which I know, and for a reason which I do not know, I then deferred my response.
Now I say: Wa-alaikumus-Salaam.
Allaah has 99 names of which “THE PEACE” {السلام} (Assalaam – in the Arabic language of The Quraan) is one.
In Peace I now leave: Peace be with you!
10/10/2023